It looks like the box office records and fan expectations might genuinely go through the roof! Doomsday might set a new standard for future superhero movies!
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EightBiscuit012025-11-06 02:45
Manage your expectations. It has a high chance of being the lowest grossing Avengers movie
theMagicSwingPiano2025-11-06 02:47
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Wrong-Vermicelli47232025-11-06 02:53
I mean clearly the guy you replied to and the OP care since that’s what they’re talking about.
LastTorgoInParis2025-11-06 03:25
Were talking business
MssrSqueezy2025-11-06 02:48
Won't cross a billion, a first for this series
Popular_Material_4092025-11-06 03:01
Avengers movies are 4/4 with grossing over a billion. The last two directed by the Russo’s made over $2 billion each
MssrSqueezy2025-11-06 03:05
That was before streaming, increasing prices, and lackluster MCU content drew audiences away from the theaters
Swifty2552025-11-06 03:07
The X men are returning bud. I’d be shocked if it didn’t get over 2 billion.
jhorsley232025-11-06 03:26
The X-Men are returning … again. This isn’t going to be the introduction of the new MCU X-Men.
This is going to be the third send-off of the Fox X-Men. Bringing back Marsden’s Cyclops and McKellen’s Magneto again isn’t going to make them $2 billion.
Swifty2552025-11-06 03:35
Yeah it will.
Popular_Material_4092025-11-06 03:14
Streaming existed when those movies came out. Not Disney+, but streaming was a thing. And there’s always been alternative media to detract from movie-going.
Also, the almost $3 billion Avengers movie was preceded by two lackluster MCU movies
MssrSqueezy2025-11-06 03:27
The two preceding lackluster movies were considered an exception at the time, not the norm. It's also important to consider streaming from the perspective of viewing that particular movie, where Disney+ as the MCU platform is drawing MCU viewers away from theaters in a way that didn't exist when the $2B movies came out.
el_palmera2025-11-06 03:14
Yeah all that really sucked the profits out of Deadpool and wolverine huh?
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 05:01
A comment someone who doesn’t know box office numbers would make, sure
mitvh23112025-11-06 02:54
The moment RDJ was announced my excitement levels dropped way low
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 02:55
High chance?! lol come on now.
I hate that I have to keep repeating this on a MARVEL STUDIOS SUB. But I’ll do it again.
Just last year, marvel studios broke the record for the biggest R rated movie global opening of all time AND the highest grossing R movie. The huge draw was bringing back nostalgia characters and leaning into the legacy X men and marvel movie characters. And the multiverse.
In 2021, during a COVID variant wave and when the box office overall was still not back in any way, Spider-man No Way Home was a smash and almost made $2 billion worldwide. The big draw of that movie was the legacy nostalgia characters coming together. And the multiverse.
Why does anyone still think this movie will not be a huge success? Did you not see the cast chair reveal? It’s like taking those movies and injecting steroids, then adding the avengers into it. People have wanted this for years.
You’re grossly underestimating it for upvotes and rage farming at this point if you keep repeating this. Even just based on last year alone this movie should pass that easily because it’s not R Rated. The data does not back up saying it’s “highly likely” it would gross less than any other avengers movie.
I personally think it will be close to infinity war in its gross and maybe can surpass it if it delivers on the quality, which the creatives behind it give me confidence it will have.
It’s easy to be pessimistic and negative in here lately since it gets people riled up, but just throwing shit at the wall to get a reaction is beneath a fan subreddit like this.
Any-Transition952025-11-06 03:28
Yea. Even if the public has lost interest in all the other Marvel projects, people still showed up for the big nostalgia crossover titles, and the Avengers title alone holds a lot of influence. They went all out with the casting too. People are suckers for nostalgia and fan service.
For fans who have been following Phase 4 and 5, Doomsday already has the benefit of having a multitude of unresolved cliffhangers to pull from, characters people have been waiting for years to see again. It's a game of choosing which setup to payoff now.
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 03:39
Do we know that for sure though? There hasn’t been a big crossover movie since endgame to properly assess this.
Spider-Man and Deadpool (Wolverine) are two tentpole franchises that can hold their own while the general Marvel Movies have received mixed to poor fanfare, simply not enough people watching even if they are good.
Why are people so wildly optimistic though, I’m curious. There was a build up and growth with the characters that lead to infinity war and endgame. The lead up now is a lot more clunky. I’m sure die hard marvel fans will be excited and eat it up (as will I). I’m not that confident the general public will care? The avengers has the name but the cast that makes the avengers is not as compelling as before too.
Any-Transition952025-11-06 03:45
Just like you said, X-Men is another one of the tentpole franchises that can hold their own that's not commonly associated with the MCU. Doomsday is a flashing "nostalgia bait" billboard calling everyone to watch their favorite old X-Men characters interact with the Avengers, a title which hasn't had a movie since Endgame, something people associate with a time when MCU was praised. They put a Spiderman movie right before Doomsday as well to draw the public's eye.
Sure it's not gonna have the narrative weight that the previous Avengers movies have, but it's not gonna struggle on the box office like people are assuming here.
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 03:49
Frankly talking about Deadpool specifically though and well, Wolverine lol. X-Men as a whole isn’t really on the same level in terms of box office and esp reception varying wildly from film to film.
Again, fans of x men or marvel will eat it up. I’m really speaking of general audience who has pretty much not been paying attention to marvel in the last few years
GarySoneji2025-11-06 04:14
You’re forgetting a few important things that heavily factor into box office performance: release date and trailer. (A lot of kids are going to get Doomsday toys for Christmas next year.)
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 05:45
Ah yes Christmas release date will definitely boost things up. Would be very curious on how the toys would fare.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 05:01
They’re paying more attention than you realize. Even with their “disappointing” grosses this year, it’s not easy to bring in half a billion dollars for a property that has been unsuccessfully rebooted twice already and in an environment where tons of movies are bombing or underperforming. Literally this last month was the lowest grossing at the box office in decades. Marvel still consistently brings in audiences and last year had a huge smash hit. Next year both of their movies will be easily over a billion and I would estimate closer to 2 billion each with good reception. Especially with avengers being at the holidays this time.
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 05:51
Yeah I’m well aware that it’s an issue across the entire industry too.
Again, I still don’t understand where the wild optimism is coming from. I already noted Spider-Man and Deadpool are two huge tentpoles that can stand on their own. And like you said the industry is not doing as well and struggling.
This will be the first avengers movie without the two actual biggest leads (in their original role lol) and I feel like that should be taken into account?
Like I’m not saying it will flop or even struggle which I don’t think people are getting. I am just confused where this wild unshaken confidence is coming from. Like avengers will be a guaranteed smashing hit. Thats what im asking.
I love for my cautious take to be completely wrong tho. More marvel is good (especially high quality marvel)
ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-06 05:59
The reception from casual audiences don’t exactly vary all that much. X-Men is a franchise that has been running for over 20 years without any hard reboots. That means the general audience has an overall favorable opinion on it.
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 06:00
Are you saying the reception has been consistently good or?
Isn’t it also that the casual audiences aren’t engaging as much as before?
ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-06 06:27
My point is that a franchise has be very popular to last over 20 years like the X-Men franchise has. A franchise can’t be that popular if the reception from casual audiences varied *wildly* from film to film.
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 06:54
I mean I feel like it should be clear what I mean about the reception of the different movies varying and even in terms of box office. We have the highs of Logan, x men 1 and 2, days of future past and the middling to bad reception of the other x men movies (I’m sure there are more good ones, can’t list them all right now.)
The last film we ended on was Dark Phoenix and that was largely panned and did poorly in the box office.
Yes, the franchise or brand of x men as a whole is popular but the franchise had its highs and lows which is what I’m trying to say. It’s not a guaranteed box office hit or consistently highly regarded
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 04:58
The marvel movies besides Deadpool and Spider-Man were not all “mixed to poor reception” -
Again, another thing I keep seeking get repeated on here that doesn’t bear out in the data, box office or critical/audience reviews and scores or streaming either. Hell, even though they disappointed at the box office, thunderbolts and fantastic four this year made their budgets back (or at least didn’t lose the studio huge amounts of money), had good fan reception and reviews and gave them some momentum going into next year.
They’ve had quite a few non Deadpool/Spider-Man movies cross $800 million and even near a billion. They’ve also put out a good amount of shows that were successful and had good audience and critical reception, even in the last year.
This doom and gloom, “everything since endgame was a flop” mentality has got to stop. It’s weird I have to ask that on a marvel fan sub repeatedly.
ChilliWithFries2025-11-06 05:13
I’m not saying it’s a flop. I have literally watched all the marvel movies since and even think the recent movies have been great return to form. Making their budget back is a big difference from being successful.
Majority of the films that did bigger numbers were released closer to Endgame or also a continued entry into a franchise like GOTG 3.
Everything that is new or a revised entry like Captain America: BNW has middling results at the box office. It’s literally a known fact that marvel had to revised their strategy because their approach post endgame wasn’t working as well as the had expected.
You are saying “good reception” and “making their budgets back”. These don’t really inspire confidence that avengers will be an explosive entry. That’s what I’m trying to question. It just seems wildly optimistic.
I’m not saying marvel will fail, I literally am gonna watch and probably enjoy avengers doomsday. I’m just not understanding the insane optimism about general audience coming back when there really isn’t anything to back it up?
The recent movies have been a step up in quality and I personally enjoyed them. That still doesn’t change the fact that they made their budgets back and was not a resounding success. It’s a good momentum 100% but you are guy are saying like Avengers is a guaranteed success.
What have I said that is actually doom and gloom? Managing expectations seems to make more sense than saying it definitely will be a resounding success.
Sea-Strike-17582025-11-06 04:53
Every marvel movie this year was a flop and every show for two years a flop. No one cares about the new characters, no one knows who the avengers are now. And they cant keep playing the nostaliga bait card after no way home and dead pool and wolverine. People are kinda done. It will probably make a billion, but it is not setting any new records or bringing the mcu "back". Its peak was 2019....it will never get that high again, they made too many mistakes in a changing industry the last 5 years.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 05:04
Fantastic four wasn’t a flop. In fact cap 4 wasn’t either with its reported budget. And the last two movies had great audience and critical reception. And they also shouldn’t be compared to a huge movie like the avengers and its cast alone. They absolutely can keep playing the nostalgia bait card as it’s been a guaranteed success for years now, and this is the culmination. You’re so pessimistic for zero reason and I don’t understand why you’re flat out making stuff up. Like that they haven’t had a successful show in two years. That’s a laughable comment.
CaptHayfever2025-11-06 06:58
> I don’t understand why you’re flat out making stuff up.
I do: They want to poison the discourse with misinformation to scare people away.
SeekerVash2025-11-06 05:09
>Why does anyone still think this movie will not be a huge success?
Because an Avengers movie's success is a function of the success of its feeders. In this particular case, three flops.
Further, 5 out of the last 6 movies flopped or bombed, and 5 out of the last 8 shows flopped or bombed.
There's no reason to expect Doomsday to do much more than breakeven, expecting anything else is extremely unrealistic at this point with no footage available.
I suspect that footage isn't going to help it any either. Feige is centering the movie on a set of characters the general audience already decided they aren't willing to pay for. Unless that trailer is all Thor/Loki/RDJ, I don't believe it's going to move the needle at all.
That said, if they do focus the trailers on Thor/Loki/RDJ, they have a shot at turning a profit. But it won't be a billion dollars. 800-900m is most likely if they go that route.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 06:05
Delusional.
SeekerVash2025-11-06 13:17
Yes, I agree, it is delusional to think that a movie will Crack a billion just because it has the Avengers name. Especially after so many other products did so poorly.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 18:41
They did it just last year with no avengers in the title. You really got a hill to die on today
SeekerVash2025-11-06 21:49
Do you mean the third entry in the Fox trilogy, featuring Fox characters, in a Fox universe, using Fox lore?
You know that's not an MCU movie right?
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-07 00:58
It’s literally made by marvel studios which is the fucking mcu
It’s set in many parts in the mcu
Are you that dense lol
SeekerVash2025-11-07 01:26
No, it isn't.
Maybe rewatch it? Notice how pretty much the whole movie is set in the fox universe with perhaps 2 minutes in a place from a TV show, with 0 characters from anywhere in the MCU?
I mean, I get it, it's really hard to accept and acknowledge that the MCU has been largely failing for years and that it's a near certainty that the next Avengers movie is going to struggle to break even, but acting like you are on the internet doesn't change that, for all the reasons I outlined.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-07 15:07
Uhhhh buddy, maybe YOU need to rewatch it. They spent half the movie in the void, a mcu location established in the mcu in Loki. He visits 616 and talks to happy and wants to be an avenger. Chris Evans comes back and the jokes are all about captain america. The villain headquarters is in Ant Man’s head. You are legit delusional if you think the movie made by marvel studios where Deadpool finally gets a promise to be an avenger isn’t related to the mcu. What a joke lol
Repulsive_Season_9082025-11-06 07:07
It wasn't a Marvel movie. It was a Deadpool movie with Marvel logo. People love Deadpool.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 10:16
It was literally a marvel movie made by marvel studios with marvel characters, with Deadpool crossing into the 616 universe, and mostly takes place in the void which was a marvel studios show setting established in Loki. The entire big draw was having Deadpool and Wolverine cross over into the mcu proper. What in the actual hell are you talking about?
It would not have broken the records it did without marvel studios making it a hit and crowd pleaser. I’m so tired of shit takes like yours
CaptHayfever2025-11-06 07:49
I can't respond downthread from Seeker because he blocked me for debunking his misinformation so often...so I'm gonna do it again. He's not just delusional like you said; he's *purposely lying*.
> Because an Avengers movie's success is a function of the success of its feeders. In this particular case, three flops.
First Steps didn't flop, and Brand New Day isn't even out yet. He has had this explained to him before. He knows it isn't true, but he's repeating it anyway.
> 5 out of the last 6 movies flopped or bombed
The last 6 movies include GotG 3, Deadpool & Wolverine, and First Steps, all of which were profitable. He has had this explained to him before. He knows it isn't true, but he's repeating it anyway.
> 5 out of the last 8 shows flopped or bombed.
The last 8 shows:
* Zombies - #1 Disney+ show in the world for 2 weeks despite being a single-day drop, & #3 show across all streaming on its week of release.
* Eyes of Wakanda - Very strong reviews. The #1 show on Disney+ in its week of release, & it had only half the budget of Echo or Agatha (both of which were already super low-budget), so that's a good sign for profitability.
* Ironheart - In the top 10 of all streaming originals for both weeks of release, held the #1 spot on Disney+ for 3 weeks despite only airing for 2 weeks.
* Born Again - This one didn't get good viewership, *yet*.
* YFNSM - Excellent reviews. High viewership reported, but I don't have details.
* Agatha - 3 Emmy nominations, great reviews, & such a high viewership/budget ratio that it effectively turned a profit on *week 2.*
* Echo - 1 Emmy nomination. In the top 5 of all streaming series during its week of release, & stayed in the top 10 for a month afterwards. (And with its super low budget, that's a good sign for profitability.) Also boosted viewership of Hawkeye, Daredevil, & Punisher.
* What If S3 - 2 Emmy nominations. Good reviews. Can't find viewership data for S3, only for S1.
That's *one* show out of the last eight that flopped, not six. Again, he has had this explained to him before. He knows it isn't true, but he's repeating it anyway.
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 10:18
We should just copy and paste this excellent breakdown to all the negative comments on here. It’s so sad we have to keep telling people this over and over on a fan sub. It’s like people here want to believe anything the mcu has made sucks and I don’t get it.
CaptHayfever2025-11-06 10:57
Some of his other comments give him away: He's doing this for political reasons.
CaptHayfever2025-11-07 15:08
And he just can't stop lying!
> Notice how pretty much the whole movie is set in the fox universe with perhaps 2 minutes in a place from a TV show, with 0 characters from anywhere in the MCU?
More than 2 minutes are spent in the TVA, & that time includes the MCU character Hunter B-15. *Way the hell more* than 2 minutes are spent in the Void, & that time includes the MCU character Alioth. There's also time spent in Happy Hogan's office, with the MCU character Happy Hogan. Wade also directly says "Welcome to the MCU" once he gets Wolverine out of the Void.
It's like he didn't even watch the dang movie!
AsteroidMike2025-11-06 03:17
Uh, you sure? Granted, I know a lot of people think Marvel is in a slump and has been since Endgame but just the trailer alone for Doomsday would have people flocking to watch it and overanalyze it a billion times on Youtube. Shit, just seeing RDJ back as Dr. Doom is gonna attract lots of attention.
TDStarchild2025-11-06 03:31
AoU is the lowest at $1.4B in 2015. Doomsday will clear $1.5B in 2026, despite the rooting for it to not happen. D&W and NWH did excellent numbers in recent years
This has nearly all the major Marvel characters together on screen for the first time ever
YesImHereAskMeHow2025-11-06 05:01
THIS!!!!
NotEvsClone812025-11-06 06:20
I'm not big on going to the theater anymore, but I'll be there for Doomsday
matty_nice2025-11-06 06:41
> This has nearly all the major Marvel characters together on screen for the first time ever
Based on the cast announcements, that's not true.
BenjaminAPete22025-11-06 03:00
I’m really excited about it. I get tired of all the box office talk, the marvel vs dc talk (I love both), and all the other stuff the last couple of years. Whether it’s good or bad… we’ll know after it comes out, but until then I’m really excited to see what they have planned!
suppadelicious2025-11-06 03:05
"Actor who is paid to promote the movie say the movie is great." More news at 11.
-Words-Words-Words-2025-11-06 03:06
Do you work for their marketing team? Jeez.
RJValdez2162025-11-06 03:07
I mean if Channing Tatum says it, then it must be true
FluxChiller2025-11-06 03:07
The more hype a movie gets by the actors, the lower my expectations get.
Vizard152025-11-06 03:08
I won't go that far. Phase 4 onwards has a mixed combination of great, good and not so good films. Do a quality film first then the profit will follow.
CaptHayfever2025-11-06 03:08
I'm optimistic about the movie, but this isn't really useful information. Trying to predict box office of a movie that won't be out for another 13 months is pointless.
hell20_2025-11-06 03:18
Yeah, James McAvoy said Dark Phoenix was the most emotional film he did
Golbeza2025-11-06 03:22
Maybe he just didn’t say what kind of emotions 😂
hell20_2025-11-06 04:43
LOL
ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-06 05:50
He’s suggested in other interviews years later that he likes the film.
CaptHayfever2025-11-06 03:26
Well, on *his* side of things, it was plenty emotional. The audience side, less so.
hell20_2025-11-06 04:44
it's the same thing here though
ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-06 05:38
No it isn’t. Channing is making a prediction, not just stating his personal feelings like McAvoy was. HUGE difference.
Sea-Strike-17582025-11-06 04:50
Well yeah, but that was James Mcavoy. This is channing tatum...he was in.....something, i think.
ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-06 05:55
And McAvoy was only sharing his personal feelings about a film. He wasn’t making any predictions about it.
eagc72025-11-06 05:42
To be fair the film was reshoot, maybe the original version did delivered onthat?, who knows
hell20_2025-11-06 05:42
I thought only the third act was reshot
ShadesOfTheDead2025-11-06 05:52
He’s suggested in other interviews years later that he still likes the film.
Rh0rny2025-11-06 04:02
it's gonna make bank anyways there's no way Marvel fucks it up lol
DickInAToaster2025-11-06 05:50
The box office has been bad since Covid. It never really recovered. So I have major doubts, especially since the build up has been no where near as good.
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CaptHayfever2025-11-06 06:52
They've been intentionally extending that window this year.
Single-Pianist-22112025-11-06 03:12
I think it’ll be good but not *that* good lol
PanzerottiNinja2025-11-06 03:12
I couldn't care less about how much $$$ it makes.
Just give me something entertaining.
_IratePirate_2025-11-06 03:19
Sounds like a paid actor being paid to promote a movie they’re in
I’m sure Doomsday will be huge, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers don’t surpass IW and Endgame. I’m sure Disney wants them too and that’s why they’re trying to hype it so hard, but fans are STILL burnt out bro. You’re not going to force burnt out fans to come watch your shit
metalmankam2025-11-06 03:23
It won't make the movie theater any more tolerable. Fuck their budgets and their greed too. I hope they spend more than it makes.
adevilsickwithsin2025-11-06 03:24
Can we just have a good story please? It doesn't have to be the biggest thing ever ...
Ranos1312025-11-06 03:27
So you think because Channing Tatum said it that it must be true? Yeah that’s not how that works.
ILoveDineroSi2025-11-06 03:27
Not unless they gather the good will from the casual fans that left after Endgame and the disheartened MCU fans that have been tuning out due to so much mediocre MCU content these past few years. Everyone should manage their expectations.
Wooden_Passage_26122025-11-06 03:39
CutMeLoose792025-11-06 03:42
I still think it's going to be unsatisfying. Too rushed to smoosh Doom into the MCU when he deserves as big an arch as Thanos.
Still say they should have recast Kang with like 3 different black actors to cover all the various Kang's.
Nicanoru2025-11-06 03:44
Based off what? It benefits them to hype up their own works. In the lead up to some of the biggest bombs actors have claimed they were the greatest movies of all time.
And no. It won't set a new standard for anything other than the ENSEMBLE movies. The first Avengers did good. Infinity War did good. Endgame did good. Everything that followed Endgame has been set to the same standard as Endgame and people don't understand why they don't like it as much. Barring the actual bad stuff post-Endgame.
OneAngryDuck2025-11-06 03:49
“Actor in movie hypes up movie”
Hoch81122025-11-06 03:54
The problem is that it doesn’t have any of the build up infinity war or Endgame had.
They started righting the ship but it might be too late and the interest isn’t nearly as much as they hope.
matty_nice2025-11-06 06:42
The other problem is that people aren't as invested in these characters. Thor is probably the only one the general audience really cares about.
_jackychain2025-11-06 04:05
Im excited to see this probably 3 times in the theatre
deanolavorto2025-11-06 04:06
Cool. But nothing will ever top Endgame after that decades long buildup. Would be nice to start another journey like that though.
Shaisabrec2025-11-06 04:13
Nah
onepostandbye2025-11-06 04:18
I am happy that all those weirdos who were so skeptical about RDJ returning are shutting up. The best Marvel directors brought back the best Marvel actor to play the new villain and people were “oh, I don’t know, I’m going to have to wait and see”
Like numbskull, what on earth more could you want, there ain’t assurances in this life but the Endgame directors coming back for the next installment is the best you are going to get, take a risk and feel some enthusiasm you crusty cranks
Dramatic-Capital-8242025-11-06 06:08
Thank you! I’m so excited to see Doom showcased on screen and at the very least I know they’re gonna go for it, RDJ knows he has to bring it and he always has.
They’re also fully aware of the expectations and reverence people have for Doom. The money being put into this movie is astronomical, I’m sure they’re doing everything they can to nail this. And who knows even if it ends up being the worst avengers, that’s probably still a pretty entertaining movie, of which there are fewer and fewer of these days.
AUnknownVariable2025-11-06 07:04
I've been hyped since it was announced, that hype has only grown really. I still just don't like the RDJ pick. Unless they're doing a story where his face is really relevant, it was just due to popularity. If this ends up the case then okay, but if not I would've loved for a new face to get their moment to shine. I knew it was inevitable that RDJ return tbh, but not in this way.
I'm sure he'll deliver a good performance, and I'm sure they're smart enough to not overly use the fact that it's RDJ.
onepostandbye2025-11-06 07:28
I have faith that the Russo’s are going to make his face relevant. I don’t think they slouch on that kind of logic. But we will see, won’t we?
Domination17992025-11-06 04:20
No Marvel film will ever reach Endgame levels of money. It was the culmination of 10 years worth of films.
One thing I’m concerned about the most is that these next two Avengers films are going to be more focused on nostalgia rather then actual good storytelling.
suckerpunch0852025-11-06 04:46
I don't belive it will. End game was truly one of a kind movie experience .
CascoBayButcher2025-11-06 05:34
I will bet thousands of dollars it doesn't beat Endgame. Probably wont even beat Infinity War. The necessary hype for that was killed long ago
matty_nice2025-11-06 06:43
The box office is also much different today then it was in 2018/2019. "800M is the new 1B".
KirkwoodKid2025-11-06 06:10
Honestly, I don‘t see how Doomsday could make as much as Infinity War. Infinity War had so much hype going for it with so many characters that people wanted to see interact. Doomsday is a different story now. The last Marvel films barely made any money (compared to films from phase 3) and the state of the characters is all over the place. Also, Infinity War offered somewhat of a conclusion to everything before where as Doomsday seems more like the beginning of something new. Obviously the old X-Men will bring in some viewers, but unless Doomsday is an absolute perfect movie that attracts old and new fans and has incredible word of mouth, I don‘t see how it could top Infinity war financially.
alexjf562025-11-06 06:29
I just do not in any way believe this
Apprehensive-Quit3532025-11-06 06:35
There's honestly a chance it won't even make $1 billion.
Gilded-Mongoose2025-11-06 06:47
When do y'all think we're getting a trailer? Super Bowl?
Think we'll get any teasers before the end of the year?
Wtygrrr2025-11-06 06:52
This isn’t news. There’s a reason those records don’t account for inflation, and that’s so it’s easy to break them.
-_The_Dark_Knight_--2025-11-06 07:05
Manage your expectations. Be calm. Let them cook!
GJH242025-11-06 07:06
Well. I hate the box office. I hate being part of statistics and they don't really need my ticket anyway.
So I might have gone to see this but now I think I'll just find it on the high seas. Or wait for streaming.
ScaredFamousfan2025-11-06 07:07
I’m hopeful that the film will do well. Marvel finally have access to all of their A list characters and they chose a blockbuster of a comic to adapt if they get this right this film will be huge.
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This is going to be the third send-off of the Fox X-Men. Bringing back Marsden’s Cyclops and McKellen’s Magneto again isn’t going to make them $2 billion.
Also, the almost $3 billion Avengers movie was preceded by two lackluster MCU movies
I hate that I have to keep repeating this on a MARVEL STUDIOS SUB. But I’ll do it again.
Just last year, marvel studios broke the record for the biggest R rated movie global opening of all time AND the highest grossing R movie. The huge draw was bringing back nostalgia characters and leaning into the legacy X men and marvel movie characters. And the multiverse.
In 2021, during a COVID variant wave and when the box office overall was still not back in any way, Spider-man No Way Home was a smash and almost made $2 billion worldwide. The big draw of that movie was the legacy nostalgia characters coming together. And the multiverse.
Why does anyone still think this movie will not be a huge success? Did you not see the cast chair reveal? It’s like taking those movies and injecting steroids, then adding the avengers into it. People have wanted this for years.
You’re grossly underestimating it for upvotes and rage farming at this point if you keep repeating this. Even just based on last year alone this movie should pass that easily because it’s not R Rated. The data does not back up saying it’s “highly likely” it would gross less than any other avengers movie.
I personally think it will be close to infinity war in its gross and maybe can surpass it if it delivers on the quality, which the creatives behind it give me confidence it will have.
It’s easy to be pessimistic and negative in here lately since it gets people riled up, but just throwing shit at the wall to get a reaction is beneath a fan subreddit like this.
For fans who have been following Phase 4 and 5, Doomsday already has the benefit of having a multitude of unresolved cliffhangers to pull from, characters people have been waiting for years to see again. It's a game of choosing which setup to payoff now.
Spider-Man and Deadpool (Wolverine) are two tentpole franchises that can hold their own while the general Marvel Movies have received mixed to poor fanfare, simply not enough people watching even if they are good.
Why are people so wildly optimistic though, I’m curious. There was a build up and growth with the characters that lead to infinity war and endgame. The lead up now is a lot more clunky. I’m sure die hard marvel fans will be excited and eat it up (as will I). I’m not that confident the general public will care? The avengers has the name but the cast that makes the avengers is not as compelling as before too.
Sure it's not gonna have the narrative weight that the previous Avengers movies have, but it's not gonna struggle on the box office like people are assuming here.
Again, fans of x men or marvel will eat it up. I’m really speaking of general audience who has pretty much not been paying attention to marvel in the last few years
Again, I still don’t understand where the wild optimism is coming from. I already noted Spider-Man and Deadpool are two huge tentpoles that can stand on their own. And like you said the industry is not doing as well and struggling.
This will be the first avengers movie without the two actual biggest leads (in their original role lol) and I feel like that should be taken into account?
Like I’m not saying it will flop or even struggle which I don’t think people are getting. I am just confused where this wild unshaken confidence is coming from. Like avengers will be a guaranteed smashing hit. Thats what im asking.
I love for my cautious take to be completely wrong tho. More marvel is good (especially high quality marvel)
Isn’t it also that the casual audiences aren’t engaging as much as before?
The last film we ended on was Dark Phoenix and that was largely panned and did poorly in the box office.
Yes, the franchise or brand of x men as a whole is popular but the franchise had its highs and lows which is what I’m trying to say. It’s not a guaranteed box office hit or consistently highly regarded
Again, another thing I keep seeking get repeated on here that doesn’t bear out in the data, box office or critical/audience reviews and scores or streaming either. Hell, even though they disappointed at the box office, thunderbolts and fantastic four this year made their budgets back (or at least didn’t lose the studio huge amounts of money), had good fan reception and reviews and gave them some momentum going into next year.
They’ve had quite a few non Deadpool/Spider-Man movies cross $800 million and even near a billion. They’ve also put out a good amount of shows that were successful and had good audience and critical reception, even in the last year.
This doom and gloom, “everything since endgame was a flop” mentality has got to stop. It’s weird I have to ask that on a marvel fan sub repeatedly.
Majority of the films that did bigger numbers were released closer to Endgame or also a continued entry into a franchise like GOTG 3.
Everything that is new or a revised entry like Captain America: BNW has middling results at the box office. It’s literally a known fact that marvel had to revised their strategy because their approach post endgame wasn’t working as well as the had expected.
You are saying “good reception” and “making their budgets back”. These don’t really inspire confidence that avengers will be an explosive entry. That’s what I’m trying to question. It just seems wildly optimistic.
I’m not saying marvel will fail, I literally am gonna watch and probably enjoy avengers doomsday. I’m just not understanding the insane optimism about general audience coming back when there really isn’t anything to back it up?
The recent movies have been a step up in quality and I personally enjoyed them. That still doesn’t change the fact that they made their budgets back and was not a resounding success. It’s a good momentum 100% but you are guy are saying like Avengers is a guaranteed success.
What have I said that is actually doom and gloom? Managing expectations seems to make more sense than saying it definitely will be a resounding success.
I do: They want to poison the discourse with misinformation to scare people away.
Because an Avengers movie's success is a function of the success of its feeders. In this particular case, three flops.
Further, 5 out of the last 6 movies flopped or bombed, and 5 out of the last 8 shows flopped or bombed.
There's no reason to expect Doomsday to do much more than breakeven, expecting anything else is extremely unrealistic at this point with no footage available.
I suspect that footage isn't going to help it any either. Feige is centering the movie on a set of characters the general audience already decided they aren't willing to pay for. Unless that trailer is all Thor/Loki/RDJ, I don't believe it's going to move the needle at all.
That said, if they do focus the trailers on Thor/Loki/RDJ, they have a shot at turning a profit. But it won't be a billion dollars. 800-900m is most likely if they go that route.
You know that's not an MCU movie right?
It’s set in many parts in the mcu
Are you that dense lol
Maybe rewatch it? Notice how pretty much the whole movie is set in the fox universe with perhaps 2 minutes in a place from a TV show, with 0 characters from anywhere in the MCU?
I mean, I get it, it's really hard to accept and acknowledge that the MCU has been largely failing for years and that it's a near certainty that the next Avengers movie is going to struggle to break even, but acting like you are on the internet doesn't change that, for all the reasons I outlined.
It would not have broken the records it did without marvel studios making it a hit and crowd pleaser. I’m so tired of shit takes like yours
> Because an Avengers movie's success is a function of the success of its feeders. In this particular case, three flops.
First Steps didn't flop, and Brand New Day isn't even out yet. He has had this explained to him before. He knows it isn't true, but he's repeating it anyway.
> 5 out of the last 6 movies flopped or bombed
The last 6 movies include GotG 3, Deadpool & Wolverine, and First Steps, all of which were profitable. He has had this explained to him before. He knows it isn't true, but he's repeating it anyway.
> 5 out of the last 8 shows flopped or bombed.
The last 8 shows:
* Zombies - #1 Disney+ show in the world for 2 weeks despite being a single-day drop, & #3 show across all streaming on its week of release.
* Eyes of Wakanda - Very strong reviews. The #1 show on Disney+ in its week of release, & it had only half the budget of Echo or Agatha (both of which were already super low-budget), so that's a good sign for profitability.
* Ironheart - In the top 10 of all streaming originals for both weeks of release, held the #1 spot on Disney+ for 3 weeks despite only airing for 2 weeks.
* Born Again - This one didn't get good viewership, *yet*.
* YFNSM - Excellent reviews. High viewership reported, but I don't have details.
* Agatha - 3 Emmy nominations, great reviews, & such a high viewership/budget ratio that it effectively turned a profit on *week 2.*
* Echo - 1 Emmy nomination. In the top 5 of all streaming series during its week of release, & stayed in the top 10 for a month afterwards. (And with its super low budget, that's a good sign for profitability.) Also boosted viewership of Hawkeye, Daredevil, & Punisher.
* What If S3 - 2 Emmy nominations. Good reviews. Can't find viewership data for S3, only for S1.
That's *one* show out of the last eight that flopped, not six. Again, he has had this explained to him before. He knows it isn't true, but he's repeating it anyway.
> Notice how pretty much the whole movie is set in the fox universe with perhaps 2 minutes in a place from a TV show, with 0 characters from anywhere in the MCU?
More than 2 minutes are spent in the TVA, & that time includes the MCU character Hunter B-15. *Way the hell more* than 2 minutes are spent in the Void, & that time includes the MCU character Alioth. There's also time spent in Happy Hogan's office, with the MCU character Happy Hogan. Wade also directly says "Welcome to the MCU" once he gets Wolverine out of the Void.
It's like he didn't even watch the dang movie!
This has nearly all the major Marvel characters together on screen for the first time ever
Based on the cast announcements, that's not true.
Just give me something entertaining.
I’m sure Doomsday will be huge, but I wouldn’t be surprised if the numbers don’t surpass IW and Endgame. I’m sure Disney wants them too and that’s why they’re trying to hype it so hard, but fans are STILL burnt out bro. You’re not going to force burnt out fans to come watch your shit
Still say they should have recast Kang with like 3 different black actors to cover all the various Kang's.
And no. It won't set a new standard for anything other than the ENSEMBLE movies. The first Avengers did good. Infinity War did good. Endgame did good. Everything that followed Endgame has been set to the same standard as Endgame and people don't understand why they don't like it as much. Barring the actual bad stuff post-Endgame.
They started righting the ship but it might be too late and the interest isn’t nearly as much as they hope.
Like numbskull, what on earth more could you want, there ain’t assurances in this life but the Endgame directors coming back for the next installment is the best you are going to get, take a risk and feel some enthusiasm you crusty cranks
They’re also fully aware of the expectations and reverence people have for Doom. The money being put into this movie is astronomical, I’m sure they’re doing everything they can to nail this. And who knows even if it ends up being the worst avengers, that’s probably still a pretty entertaining movie, of which there are fewer and fewer of these days.
I'm sure he'll deliver a good performance, and I'm sure they're smart enough to not overly use the fact that it's RDJ.
One thing I’m concerned about the most is that these next two Avengers films are going to be more focused on nostalgia rather then actual good storytelling.
Think we'll get any teasers before the end of the year?
So I might have gone to see this but now I think I'll just find it on the high seas. Or wait for streaming.
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